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Farah, I'm sort of curious.

In Donald Trump's America, is DEI now a bad word?

Oh, I think there's plenty of people right now who are describing it off their resume.

Absolutely.

Farah Stockman is a member of the editorial board at the New York Times.

And over the last few years, she's made herself into something of an expert on diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Last week, of course, President Trump issued a pair of executive orders laying out his plan to dismantle DEI, both in and outside of government.

Farah, I figured, could explain just how much history was getting unraveled here.

Donald Trump went all the way back to LBJ.

He went all the way back to the executive quarter that Lyndon B. Johnson signed in the 1960s to say, hey, maybe we should not discriminate against black people. That is an order that went away, too. And so, yeah, it's, it's, it's bad.

The really striking thing about all this, DeFara, is that it was just four years back that

President Biden was issuing his own day one executive orders, folding diversity, equity,

and inclusion into the government's mission. Oh my God, it's totally nutty to remember it.

It feels like a thousand years ago. In a White House press conference, Biden said America had

been blinded to structural inequalities for far too long.

Those eight minutes and 46 seconds that took George Floyd's life, opened the eyes of millions of Americans and millions of people around all over the world.

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