All right, I think we're going to go ahead and move on to topic number two, which is actually Dan's topic for us.

Oh man, does that mean I have to drive the show?

I'm going to let you drive the show.

Oh, gosh.

I am really curious.

I would love to have a conversation about what we did before we did this.

What other jobs have we had? What have you done? What careers? What work did you do before you were a writer?

Do you want me to go first?

Yeah, and we don't even have to, like, you can give us one,

and we can talk about it for a while, and then someone else, and then we can come back, because I bet all of us have multiple things that we did. I have multiple. The job I had immediately before this, I was still a writer, but I was an artist. If you Google Matt Dinnaman art, to this day, you can still see it. To this day,

IKEA carries some of my artwork.

Really?

I designed greeting cards. If you Google Matt Denhamen art, to this day, you can still see it. To this day, IKEA carries some of my artwork.

Really?

I designed greeting cards for a living.

Paper Chase stores in the UK still have Matt Denhamen cards.

If you look, there will just be a silly picture of a rabbit.

It's cute art.

Uh-huh.

And you will have no idea I did it until you flip the back and it says Matt Deniman. And that's what I did for years.

I was in corporate advertising right immediately before that, but I quit that to sell art.

And I would also travel to conventions to sell my art directly.

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