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There was a massive psychological change that I observed in Donets.

It wasn't that they were scared that the same thing would happen to them. It was more like a kind of a

moral outrage. They were looking for evidence that there really were fascists. When Ukraine pulled itself apart in 2014, the world was confused over who exactly was doing the polling.

Was the takeover of Luhansk, Benetsk, and other regional capitals all part of a Russian

plan or just a local movement?

Today on a special edition of War College, we speak with Antony Butts.

He was in Dinetsk when it all went down

and has a very interesting take on exactly what happened.

You're listening to War College, a weekly discussion of a world in conflict focusing on the stories behind the

front lines. Here's your host, Jason Fields. Hello and

I'm Reuter's opinion editor Jason Fields, and today I'm

joined by Tom Barton of Reuters Moscow Bureau.

And Tom is also going to introduce our guests.

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