Who was Columbus? Jack D. Forbes (1990)
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🗓️ 13 October 2019
⏱️ 82 minutes
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Summary
In the course of several interviews (1990-1992), Lenape scholar Jack D. Forbes pieces together the story of the real Columbus — a ruthless slaver and mass killer — and the often forgotten history of African and Native American encounters.
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| 0:00.0 | Columbus chose to finance the conquest of the West Indies by selling Native American slaves. |
| 0:08.0 | And he characterized it as his Granheria or Grainery. In other words, it was the granary that was going to pay for the conquest, that is Native American bodies. |
| 0:20.0 | And Columbus himself sent at least 3,000 and possibly as many as 6,000 or more |
| 0:26.0 | Native American slaves to Europe. |
| 0:29.0 | This begins as early as 1493 on his return voyage he takes about a two dozen Native Americans |
| 0:36.7 | to Portugal and Spain. |
| 0:38.7 | The subsequent voyages, many more, are sent, men and women. Now he intends to sell them by the thousands, not only in |
| 0:48.2 | Spain, but he mentions the Azores, the Canary Islands, the Cape Verdi Islands off, you know, the West Coast of Africa, |
| 0:57.0 | as well as in Portugal and Spain and elsewhere. |
| 1:00.0 | Good evening and welcome to For the People. In 1920 historian Carter G. Woodson said, quote, |
| 1:08.0 | one of the longest unwritten chapters in the and Africans come in contact with each other. |
| 1:23.0 | How much intermarrying took place between the two groups? |
| 1:26.0 | How did white supremacy shape those relations? |
| 1:30.0 | That great Libertarian Thomas Jefferson said of the Native Americans, quote, |
| 1:35.0 | we would never stop pursuing them with war while one remained on the face of the earth, |
| 1:41.0 | end quote. |
| 1:42.0 | How close did Jefferson and other Europeans come to realizing this objective? |
| 1:47.0 | We'll explore these and other questions with Dr. Jack Forbes, author of Black Africans and Native Americans, color, race, and cast in the evolution |
| 1:57.9 | of red black peoples, 1400s to 1865. Dr Forbes is professor of anthropology and Native American studies at the |
| 2:07.1 | University of California at Davis. He is co-founder of DQ University, a Native American university located in Northern California. |
| 2:17.0 | Well, I think the main point is to fill in a gap that has developed because of the suppression of knowledge of the interaction of black people and Native American people. |
| 2:28.0 | In other words, it's to tell the story and to the fullest extent possible of the interrelations between these two ethnic groups |
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