Who Should 'Control' the Schools?
The Brian Lehrer Show
WNYC
4.6 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 22 January 2024
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
With mayoral control of the schools being debated in Albany again, Clara Hemphill, founding editor of InsideSchools.org and the author of A Brighter Choice: Building a Just School in an Unequal City (Teachers College Press, 2023), talks about its history and the arguments for and against it.
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| 0:15.6 | Brian Laird on W.N.C. We'll talk now about one of the issues facing the New York State legislature and every parent of a school-age child right now as well as every public |
| 0:20.9 | school teacher in New York City. |
| 0:23.4 | The legislature is considering whether and how to renew |
| 0:26.8 | mayoral control of the New York City public schools. |
| 0:30.2 | The roots of this issue go back more than 20 years when the mayor of New York actually did not have the power to settle out of education policy because control was all split up on the old Board of Education, which had both Mayoral and Borough President |
| 0:45.0 | appointees, and then also there were 32 elected local school boards in the |
| 0:51.1 | neighborhoods around the city, which also could make policy and were not |
| 0:54.9 | under the control of the mayor. Because of corruption on some local school boards |
| 0:59.7 | and failure to educate enough kids sufficiently overall, |
| 1:03.6 | the politics gradually shifted to where the state accepted |
| 1:07.4 | mayor of control, because as they saw it, |
| 1:10.3 | finally someone would be truly accountable for educational outcomes in the city. |
| 1:15.8 | So it took effect in 2002 when Michael Bloomberg was mayor, earlier mayors had wanted it |
| 1:21.6 | too. In 2012 2012 when Bloomberg was still mayor |
| 1:25.3 | he said this about mayoral control to a national conference of mayors this is |
| 1:31.0 | about a minute and a half of Bloomberg in 2012. |
| 1:34.7 | Now the attacks on education by ideologues on the right and on the left must be met |
| 1:39.8 | and must be fended off by the sensible center. |
| 1:42.9 | And that is the people that you are here with today, the mayors. |
| 1:47.4 | Mayors are pragmatists and problem solvers, not ideologues. |
| 1:51.4 | They don't have the luxury of being on both sides of an issue. |
| 1:55.0 | They have to be explicit as to where they stand. |
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