Hi, Matt. Hi, Brandon. No Dan this week. He's still gone for a little while. So I have

invited fellow YouTuber, the innkeeper from the Dusty Wheel. He's laughing because his day job is

running operations at Dragon Steel. But he moonlights as a YouTuber. I did for six years. I haven't done a lot of streaming recently. Yeah. I met Matt back in 2007. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or 2008. It's probably 2008. In the Wheel of Time fandom, he ran a website at Jordan Con. At Jordan Con. 2008. No, it was DragonCon. It was before Jordan Con existed. No, we didn't meet a Dragon Con, didnCon 2008. No, it was DragonCon.

It was before Jordan Con existed. No, we didn't meet a Dragon Con. Didn't we? No, it was 2007, 2008. Did we meet it at DragonCon? I think we did, because Jordan Con didn't start for a few years after it got kicked out of DragonCon. So my first time, meaning the fan base in general was the Jordan track at DragonCon. I don't know if that's where I met you, but I swear I met you very early on.

Yeah, it was right around there.

Because I knew you in time to convince Harriet to let you be a beta reader. Yeah. But that was Tower's Midnight because she wouldn't let me, she was too scared of digital versions of books. And I couldn't get beta readers on the first one. Jason showed me like a printed out version, I think. Yeah, I think Jason got to read, but I didn't get to use beta readers. But I knew you guys all well enough to try to get her to let me. And it was the second book that I managed to get you. And you're the first person I pranked quite well with a beta read. I mean, no one's

ever been pranked in a beta read better than that. I don't think so. I don't think I don't think

there's no way. I think for those who don't know, I put into Matt's copy just his, some fun

theory crafting and validation of theories that he had long loved that was only in his

draft and no one else's.

I wanted that so bad to be true.

You don't understand how bad I...

I just remember, I think, the first time through, really going like, yeah, this is possible.

It was really exaggerated.

So, yeah. Well, when Matt was spelled wrong, a couple of times made me go, this feels like more than a typo. Yeah, there's a character, for those I haven't read The Wheel of Time, Matt Cawthon, who spelled with one T, and he transformed into somebody else, maybe Matt Hatch to interrogate some characters about, yeah.

It's a beautiful thing. It's out there on YouTube, on the dusty wheel.

We're not talking about the wheel of time today, though. We could talk about the wheel of time,

but I think we've done that to death. Donald has an idea for us. I do indeed have an idea.

You know, it's perfect that we're talking about villains.

Nice segue. That was totally intentional. Yes, exactly. Like Matt has said, you know, we talk about all of our favorite villains so much, Sephiroth, Sauron, all these big villains. But what about

the little guys? What about our favorite little dudes that we have to have to really bulk up

the army? So today, I am presenting

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