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Today, Explained

Who’s “Karen?” And what’s BIPOC?

Today, Explained

Vox

News, Daily News, Politics

4.310.3K Ratings

🗓️ 3 August 2020

⏱️ 20 minutes

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A Washington Post columnist named Karen explains her feelings about “Karen.” A University of Arizona linguist named Sonja explains BIPOC and the capitalization of “Black” and “White.” Transcript at vox.com/todayexplained.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This moment, this movement, Black Lives Matter has achieved.

0:15.0

It's changing so many elements of American life, the mascots, the police, the monuments,

0:20.9

but it's also changing our language.

0:23.4

And some of those changes are a lot more complicated and even confusing than say no more Confederate

0:30.6

flags at NASCAR.

0:32.0

Today, we're going to dig into how language is evolving right now and try and figure out

0:37.2

how permanent some of these changes might be.

0:40.2

I'm talking about capitalizing the B in Black or the acronym BIPOC that you might be seeing

0:46.6

a lot more lately.

0:47.9

I'm talking about Karen.

0:49.5

It's easy to pronounce.

0:50.7

It's five letters.

0:51.7

To talk about what's going on with Karen, we found a Karen.

0:55.6

My name is Karen Atiyah.

0:57.7

She's an opinion writer at the Washington Post.

1:00.2

My mom has spoken about how she knew exactly what she was doing when she named me Karen.

1:05.0

She was just like, I wanted you to have an easier life with the sort of privilege of being

1:10.8

a Karen.

1:11.8

Up until recently, being named Karen had been a gift.

1:16.3

I'm Black.

1:17.3

My parents are immigrants actually from Ghana.

1:20.4

And the part that was sort of amusing to me about all of this was like, my parents chose

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