Who’s afraid of Donald Trump? Not this rising star GOP governor.

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🗓️ 28 June 2024

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Utah Governor Spencer Cox is a longtime Trump critic who is known nationally for his work to depolarize American politics. This week, Cox easily defeated a far-right opponent in the Republican primary. So too did a slate of other Utah Republicans. While national Republicans continue to move in Trump’s direction — in Utah, the Romney faction of the GOP is still holding its own. Utah Governor Spencer Cox is a longtime Trump critic who is known nationally for his work to depolarize American politics. This week, Cox easily defeated a far-right opponent in the Republican primary. So too did a slate of other Utah Republicans. While national Republicans continue to move in Trump’s direction, in Utah, the Romney faction of the GOP is still holding its own. On this episode of Deep Dive, Cox joins host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza to discuss Utah politics, as well as Cox’s disagreements with Trump; how he’s preparing to be cast as MAGA’s next boogeyman; what he thinks Trump’s other Republican critics, such as Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, get wrong; and why “disagreeing better” doesn’t mean giving up your most strongly held beliefs.

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0:00.0	Last night in Atlanta, Joe Biden and Donald Trump met for the first presidential debate.
0:05.0	You can check out Playbook's Daily Briefing Podcast for a rundown of what happened there.
0:10.0	On deep dive this week, we have a guest who is going to be relevant in coming years, no matter who wins the 2024 presidential election.
0:18.0	No, no, they don't let kids from Fairview, Utah do things like that.
0:23.8	A governor who is young and popular, who regularly stands up to the loudest voices in his own party,
0:30.2	someone who is cruising to victory in his re-election campaign.
0:34.0	In other words, a politician who may be the answer to the main criticisms of both Trump and
0:39.8	Biden, the governor of Utah, Spencer Cox.
0:43.0	It's been well documented that Utah is a little different.
0:46.0	Cox is a long-time Trump critic,
0:48.0	but he easily defeated a far-right opponent in the Republican primary on Tuesday.
0:52.0	So too did a slate of other Utah Republicans. opponent in the Republican primary on Tuesday.
0:52.5	So too did a slate of other Utah Republicans,
0:55.5	including Congressman John Curtis, a moderate
0:58.1	who is now likely to replace Mitt Romney in the Senate
1:01.1	after beating Trump-backed Canada Trent Stags in a blowout.
1:05.0	While National Republicans continue to move in Trump's direction,
1:08.0	in Utah, the Romny faction of the GOP
1:12.0	is still holding its own.
1:14.1	Cox has profile outside of Utah,
1:16.4	mostly through his work as chairman of the National Governors Association,
1:21.2	which has pushed Cox's signature initiative,
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