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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Who owns the Western?

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Vox book critic Constance Grady talks with Vox gender identities reporter and novelist Anna North about Anna's new book Outlawed. They discuss creating an alternative history, reimagining the Western, and having fun with the usually fraught topics of gender and identity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Slack.com slash DHQ. New Year, new me. Nah, I'm fine just the way I am. Doing the things

0:35.3

I love, like enjoying a latte on the bus with some music or on a walk with a friend. My

0:42.7

only resolution is to enjoy more of what I love, like switching up my usual with oat,

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soy, almond or coconut. All delicious non-dairy alternatives available at Starbucks for no extra

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charge, while stocks last subject to availability. Welcome back to Vox Conversations. I'm Sean

1:01.9

Ramas from Today on the show Vox's book Critic Constance Grady is going to talk with another

1:07.3

Voxer and a North all about her new book outlawed. It's a conversation all about creating an alternative

1:14.2

history, reimagining the Western and having fun with the usually fraught roles around

1:20.8

gender and identity. Here's Constance. Ananorth is a reporter on Vox's identity team. She is also

1:35.5

the author of Outlawed, which is a new novel that's been selected by Reese Witherspoon's

1:39.9

Book Club and option 4 TV by Amy Adams's production company. Outlawed deals with some intense

1:46.9

ideas, but it's also just a really fun book to read. It's a Western about a group of gender

1:54.0

non-conforming outlaws and the safe haven they build for themselves at the legendary Hole

1:59.0

in the Wall camp. The characters in the book are outlaws because of what makes them different.

2:06.9

Their gender identity, their ability to bear children, their race, their class, but at the

2:14.1

Hole in the Wall, these differences stop being something that limits their world. Instead

2:21.0

of being restrictive reminders of the way the rest of the country wants them to be, their

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