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The Peter McCormack Show

Who Needs Bitcoin? With Junseth - WBD541

The Peter McCormack Show

Peter McCormack

Power, Politics, Government, Markets, News, Society & Culture, Technology, Society, Inflation, Finance, Bitcoin, Economics, Money

4.72.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 August 2022

⏱️ 136 minutes

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Summary

Junseth is an OG Bitcoiner and the former co-host of Bitcoin Uncensored. In this interview, we discuss how the early days of Bitcoin mirror the issues we're seeing in the ecosystem today: over leverage, unsustainable returns, greed and excessive confidence that the party won't end.

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The contagion in the DeFi market over the past few months has seemed unprecedented. Major companies wiped out. Investors rekt. Confidence turned to panic. Commentators have been declaring that the recent events are an existential crisis: this time Bitcoin is really dead.

As one of the OG Bitcoiners, Junseth was part of the initial wave who eulogized and expanded on what the innovation could possibly mean for the world before the world had heard of Bitcoin. Then, between 2015-2017, he hosted the uncompromising podcast Bitcoin Uncensored, with Chris DeRose. They exposed false promises and scams prevalent in the space.

Past is, as they say, prologue. And the past events that triggered the development of Bitcoin, and its early days, rhyme with the present.

Junseth connects the over-leverage within traditional finance, which was the predicate for Satoshi's message in the genesis block, with the excessive confidence and greed that has been the root of the cascading collapse of DeFi companies. In turn, the untenable yields prevalent within the altcoin markets were a practice employed by scammers working with Bitcoin nearly a decade ago.

What are the important lessons to learn? Humans are creatures of habit: scams and greed will always follow the money. But, is the more important lesson that the unnecessary complexity of the grift that develops diverts from the principle simplicity of Bitcoin? Is the innovation of digital value the singular utility? Will those motivated by greed, therefore, miss the real purpose of Bitcoin? Should we instead follow the actions of those motivated by need?


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Any of these external effects like the fact that mining is good for attaching to an energy infrastructure, the fact that mining is good for attaching to an energy infrastructure.

0:14.0

The fact that anything is useful as a result of Bitcoin comes from the fact that

0:18.5

Bitcoin is nothing interesting.

0:20.1

It's just contained value.

0:21.7

That's it. All things flow from that.

0:24.0

Hello there. How are you doing? Welcome to the What Bitcoin Do Pop Cars, which is brought to you by Gemini.

0:29.0

The only place I'm using for Bitcoin.

0:31.0

I'm your first Peter McCormack and I am absolutely for Bitcoin. I'm your host, Peter McCormack, and I am absolutely buzzing.

0:34.6

My team, Rale Bedford, we won 7-1 at the weekend and we've gone on top of the league.

0:38.7

No one to always talk about football at the show, but honestly, I'm so proud of this it was an amazing weekend

0:43.9

an amazing result and hopefully that's where we will be in the league at the end of

0:48.0

the season and for today's show I've got my buddy Junseth back and we've got a bunch of stuff to talk about now

0:53.6

this conversation was originally based on something Jonseth said to me when he

0:57.4

said there is nothing interested about Bitcoin and that being a good thing

1:00.9

okay this is obviously a bit of a troll, but there is some logic to this, in that

1:04.9

Bitcoin focuses on doing the simple things right, like protecting your money,

1:09.2

while all this exotic defies stuff creates so much individual and general market risk.

1:15.0

But Jun Seth is good on so many topics, so as well as discussing this simplicity of

1:19.6

Bitcoin and this

1:25.0

Defy stuff. We also get into long-term capital management, decentralization, and who really needs Bitcoin as well as this Defy market meltdown.

1:29.0

I know you're going to love this show.

1:30.0

But if you got any questions, you want to reach out to me.

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