Hey everybody this is this is Kai.

Recently I had a really fun conversation with my colleague Andrea Bernstein

and I want to share it with you as a sort of bonus episode for our

podcast listeners. Andrea is the co-host of WNYC's podcast Trump Inc. which is

about the terribly gray line between the president's company and our government.

But she also wrote a book, a best-selling book, called American oligarchs, the Cushners, the Trumps, and the marriage of money and power. So in the final days before this

election we kind of got together to talk about the book and to share our

reflections with each other on the past four years. This was a live if virtual event at the

Green Space which is our sister organization. They host all kinds of cool stuff and

you should definitely check them out at the green space dot org that's g r e e in e the green space

dot org tons of live streams there that can help you stay connected in these

socially distanced times.

Okay, so here is my conversation

with Andrea Bernstein at the Green Space.

Hope you enjoy it.

I guess let's start with the biggest question we had of the night which is you know who matters in America and you said something about Donald Trump on our show actually the week of the Republican National Convention that I kind of want to bring us back to here.

You know, I mean he has said certainly in this election he's made it fairly clear that who he's saying matters are

suburban residents particularly white suburban residents he sort of changes whether he's trying to bring people of color into that or not but he's

explicitly saying okay well I'm talking to you are white suburbanites and it's interesting

because you know you mentioned that he has such a long and unique understanding of the

suburbs but that it might not be right. Can you unpack that a little bit like his history

with the suburbs? Yeah so I mean I guess the first thing to say about Donald Trump is that he has this

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