Who is Sam Altman Anyway?
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4.3 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 12 April 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
If you had as much trouble getting along with other humans as Sam Altman does, you too might be eager to issue in the artificial intelligence revolution.
Guest: Andrew Marantz, staff writer for the New Yorker.
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| 0:00.0 | Once upon a time, Sam Altman's employees tried to get him fired. He had founded a company, |
| 0:12.0 | and some of the people there were concerned about his truthfulness, or lack there of. They went to the |
| 0:18.0 | company's board with their complaints. |
| 0:26.1 | This story might sound familiar, but it's not about OpenAI, |
| 0:31.6 | where the board famously did fire Altman in 2023 only to rehire him. |
| 0:36.4 | This happened more than a decade earlier at Altman's company looped. |
| 0:43.2 | And what was told to us is that employees at this company said, look, Sam, is personally likable, but we just are not sure how trustworthy he is. Sounds like he may be saying |
| 0:48.7 | different things to different people. That's New Yorker writer Andrew Morantz. He and his co-author, |
| 0:54.0 | Ronan Farrow, spent more than a year reporting on Altman. |
| 0:57.7 | And based on those concerns, we were told a bunch of the employees asked the board to replace Altman with another CEO. |
| 1:06.4 | And according to this story, what they were told is, this is Sam's company, get back to fucking work. |
| 1:15.3 | What did learning about Looped tell you when you were reporting on the Sam Altman of today? |
| 1:22.7 | I mean, one of the most perplexing things about Sam Altman's reputation and persona is that he can be a bit of a cipher, right? |
| 1:35.1 | He can kind of different segments of people can project different things onto him. |
| 1:42.5 | So to the kind of classic business community, the classic Silicon Valley startup community, |
| 1:47.3 | he seemed like a classic startup guy, you know, up and to the right, rocket chip growth. |
| 1:53.1 | You know, he was president of Y Combinator, which is kind of the center of a lot of this |
| 1:57.1 | hypergrowth in the industry. |
| 2:00.4 | And yet, in other contexts, for example, with AI engineers |
| 2:04.9 | who are terrified of bringing advanced AI into existence, he could strike a totally different persona |
| 2:11.7 | according to dozens of people we spoke to. He could seem much more conscientious, much more |
| 2:17.2 | actually burdened and |
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