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🗓️ 9 August 2025
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Mark Joseph Stern, and this is Amicus, Slate's podcast about the courts, law, and the Supreme Court. |
| 0:21.0 | That's a simple story I can tell myself, and now I can put native people in that bucket or not in that bucket. |
| 0:26.4 | I can put black Americans in that bucket or not in that bucket. |
| 0:30.1 | That's just not actually where we're at anymore, I think, as a country. |
| 0:36.3 | The official history of America's founding is often told as a whites only story, a heroic |
| 0:42.3 | tale of wealthy white men forging a new nation with no mention of the people they |
| 0:47.8 | excluded, displaced, or oppressed. That version was always more mythology than fact, |
| 0:55.3 | and always incomplete. |
| 1:00.5 | In recent years, academics and journalists have tried to correct the record by including people who were cut out of the frame. We saw this much-needed update with the 1619 project, |
| 1:06.4 | and we're seeing it play out in the courts as well. In June, Justice Katanji Brown-Jackson called out |
| 1:12.5 | Justice Clarence Thomas for relying on the views of a few dead white men to determine the meaning of |
| 1:18.4 | civil rights, arguing that any honest originalist must look to, quote, a broader and more |
| 1:24.5 | inclusive survey of historical sources. As an example, she cited the colored |
| 1:29.5 | conventions, a series of meetings held throughout the 1800s during which black Americans express |
| 1:35.2 | their own interpretations of the law. This dispute between Thomas and Jackson made me wonder, |
| 1:42.9 | who gets left out of the story |
| 1:45.0 | that originalists like to tell about the law? |
| 1:47.7 | Well, before there even was a United States, there were Native Nations, some of which were |
| 1:53.3 | very much on the scene as the Constitution was being debated and ratified. |
| 1:58.4 | What did they think about it? |
| 1:59.7 | And does asking that question risk squeezing Native nations into a system they never really |
| 2:05.8 | consented to? |
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