Welcome back to Talking Feds, the third of our six live programs from Washington, DC.

We've heard in the first two programs from different vantage points, but I think both

detailing a kind of tough time to be at the Department of Justice.

Today, in this podcast, we focus on some X Feds who've responded to these and similar

challenges by acting, putting their experience and skills to work in the service of the

institutional values of the justice system and the Department of Justice, but as a kind

of pushback against the administration's abandonment of aspects of its traditional central

mission. And these people are also our co-sponsors for this entire series into them. We owe all

their hospitality has made us welcome here in DC just a few blocks from the Capitol. The

Georgetown Law School Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection. And there, well, let

me stop right here and ask about their main mission, turn to Mary McCord, who's a visiting

professor of law at Georgetown University Law Center. She's also notably the former acting

assistant attorney general for national security and maybe even more significantly for

talking feds, a federal prosecutor for some 20 years here in the district. Mary, thank you very

much. And I propose because you have a few of your colleagues here that maybe you could tell us a

little bit about yourself and then pass the baton on to a colleague. Sure. Thanks for having me

here, Harry and talking feds. We're glad at Georgetown to host the program this week. So I, along

with my colleague Josh Geltzer, who's the executive director of the Institute, which we call Icap,

left government early in 2017, shortly after the transition and helped to start this institute,

which was the brainchild of Neil Cateal, who famously argued the travel ban case in order to

use the power of the courts to defend and protect constitutional rights and norms. Now I assume,

I mean, you, since you were the ASA for 20 years, this is not your first presidential transition,

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