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Equity

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🗓️ 19 April 2023

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Alex invited Janelle Teng from Bessemer Venture Partners on the program to riff with us on the state of the cloud. That's also the title of Bessemer's latest data dump concerning cloud stocks, startups, AI, and more. Teng, a co-author on the report, walked through some of key bits with us to better explain her firm's perspective, and to answer our critical commentary regarding Figma and why startups should always kill Goliath, instead of joining him for a round of grapes and lounging. You can find the report that we chatted about here, and our early notes thereof here. Finally, a rundown of topics: Is the valuation massacre that startups have survived since late 2021 finally over? Why is investor preference swinging back towards growth from profitability? What is the state of runway at late-stage startups? Is the M&A pause nearly over? And, naturally, AI and SaaS and where VCs see the pair heading! See you at Early Stage tomorrow! For episode transcripts and more, head to Equity’s Simplecast website. Equity drops at 7 a.m. PT every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, so subscribe to us onApple Podcasts,Overcast, Spotifyand all the casts. TechCrunch also has agreat show on crypto, ashow that interviews founders, one thatdetails how our stories come together and more! Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. Bryce Durbin is our Illustrator. We'd also like to thank the audience development team and Henry Pickavet, who manages TechCrunch audio products. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome back to Equity, a podcast about the business of startups where we unpack the numbers and the nuance behind the headlines.

0:17.0

My name is Alex and this is our Wednesday show where we niche down to a single person, in this case, think about their work and unpack the rest.

0:24.4

Today we are talking about software, modern software that is, the stuff that's hosted on the

0:28.5

cloud and the startups busy building it. It's a topic I've been covering for roughly one to three to five billion years

0:34.7

most recently digging into changing investor preferences when it comes to the growth

0:38.7

profitability trade-off the massive slowdown in unicorn creation and whether or not startup valuations are done

0:44.8

correcting from prior highs to recent lows. Given the huge percentage of startups that build

0:50.2

software as their kind of core remit, I've been reading and parsing data on the topic from

0:54.5

Crunchbase and Pitchbook and Karta and CBN sites and most recently, Bessamer.

0:59.6

Bessamer is a venture shop with a lot of capital and investors that also does pretty useful data work on cloud trends, valuations, and data.

1:07.0

So I've chatted with Bessammer folks like Mary and Elliot and Byron quite often over the years, but today we are bringing a new voice on to Equity

1:14.4

from the firm.

1:15.1

And that is Janelle Tang, who, by the way,

1:17.2

has a great sub-stack called the next big Tang.

1:19.6

Janelle, welcome to the show.

1:20.9

Thank you so much for having me, Alex.

1:22.4

So glad to be on. And that was easily the show. Thank you so much for having me Alex so glad to be on.

1:23.4

And that was easily the longest scripted intro I've done in my entire life and I wrote it myself

1:28.4

and it wasn't that bad so I'm giving myself like a solid eight.

1:31.4

Whoa! Okay so Jeanette we have you on because you are a co-author of I'm giving myself like a solid eight. Ooh!

1:32.6

Okay, so Jeanette, we have you on because you are a co-author

1:34.6

of the Bessamer 2023 State of the Cloud Report.

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