Before we get started, dear Americano listeners, I would like to bring your attention to the next

Americano Live event. The last one was a huge success, and we anticipate this one will be as big,

if not bigger, to get all Trumpy about it. It's Americano Lives Trump's first 100 days. I will be hosting hosting it and I will be joined by the great Lionel Shriver.

We will be talking about all things Trump.

There's a hell of a lot to cover, but we'll do our best to cover the lot.

Do join us.

It's at the Emanuel Centre on Wednesday, the 30th of April.

And the discussion, according to the blurb here the

discussion starts at 730pm book your tickets at spectator.co.uk forward slash Shriver

which is spelled S-H-R-I-V-E-R, as I'm sure you already knew.

Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power, and prejudices.

It is 2025 and Donald Trump is president once again of the United States.

We will, of course, be following the moves of the Donald and his second administration very closely.

However, it won't just be politics for us this year. We'll also talk a lot and cover American culture, life and the arts.

I should also remind you, because my producer Natasha will not let me hear the end of it,

that we are on Spectator TV. So head to our YouTube channel to watch that.

Today on Americano, we are going to be talking about 23 and me, which is a DNA testing company that is in the news because it is facing bankruptcy and the large number of

users and therefore the large amount of DNA sampling and data that it has are potentially up for sale, which is

raising lots of difficult ethical questions. And the story also raises lots of broader questions

about DNA, genetics, and the future of our sort of bodily privacy, really.

To discuss this fascinating and complicated subject,

I'm delighted to be joined by two Davids, David Haltzman and David Carvalho,

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