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🗓️ 8 March 2023
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| 0:00.0 | From New York Times, I'm Michael Obaro. This is a daily. |
| 0:11.0 | Today, a Times investigation may finally answer the question of who carried out a brazen |
| 0:18.0 | wartime attack on two underwater pipelines connecting Russia and Europe. |
| 0:26.0 | My colleague, Julian Bars, says it's not who anyone first suspected. |
| 0:41.0 | It's Wednesday, March 8. |
| 0:44.0 | So Julian, you have been digging into one of the central mysteries of the war in Ukraine, |
| 0:56.0 | the suspected bombing of the Nord Stream underwater pipeline. And you think you now know who did it. |
| 1:04.0 | Yeah, we think we do know. |
| 1:07.0 | Okay, well, I'm going to ask you, and I am being a little bit coy here, not to tell us who you think it now is just yet, |
| 1:14.0 | because we have 20 minutes of the show to fill. |
| 1:17.0 | But also because I think it makes sense to start with the story of the pipeline itself. |
| 1:24.0 | Why it is so important and why its explosion became such an international event. |
| 1:30.0 | Absolutely. I mean, arguably, Michael, there's no piece of energy infrastructure in Europe that's more important than the Nord Stream pipelines. |
| 1:41.0 | Remember, there are actually two pipelines here, Nord Stream 1, which has been active for a decade. |
| 1:48.0 | And Nord Stream 2, which was all but complete, together the majority of the natural gas that Europe uses |
| 1:57.0 | with a flow through these pipelines from Russia, from Russia. |
| 2:02.0 | And these are very important projects. They tied Russia and Europe together. |
| 2:08.0 | They made Russia the most important energy supplier for Europe. |
| 2:14.0 | And so when Russia decides to invade Ukraine, the pipelines become a major focal point. |
| 2:20.0 | Right. Because in a sense, Russia, by this point through these pipelines, |
| 2:25.0 | had gotten Europe kind of addicted to its fuel, which ended up, of course, helping fund Russia's invasion of Ukraine, |
| 2:33.0 | and makes it a lot harder for Europe to turn its back on Russia over the invasion because it needs this energy. |
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