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This is Deep State Radio.

Coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of

Snark in Washington, D.C. and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to another episode of Deep State Radio.

I am David Rothkoff at an undisclosed location in the frozen north of the

United States in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington DC

we have David Sanger of the New York Times. We have Evelyn Farkas of the Atlantic

Council and we have Ben Pouker who, until very recently, was the executive editor at Foreign

Policy magazine. And starting next week will be

managing editor for news at Vox and roaming around somewhere in the woods in

California searching for mushrooms or whatever people do in California is

is Corey Shockey.

Now, Corey, I understand that you had a present made

for David Sanger.

I did indeed make David a present.

And in fact, I know it's something he's going to love.

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