Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey.

Investigates on today's show. I have two very special guests. Nick from the occult rejects.

If you've watched my show or listen to my show, you've heard him or me as a guest on his show, and he's talked to me.

We've done shows recently about crossing the abyss and the Pilgrim Society, which is getting a little bit of mention.

There was mentioned in some, a guy who I listened to Alex Craneer mentioned the Pilgrim Society, too,

who's kind of a mainline, online kind of commentator, academic.

It was interesting to hear him talk about it after kind of we did.

And it shows up done with Charlie Robinson.

But it was interesting to kind of make it into mainline discourse.

And his kind of views are that the English,

ex-English Empire is punching over its weight, which I can agree with and through

things like the Pilgrim Society.

But also another co-guest is Teresa, who's done shows with Nick.

So this is the first time I think I've had her on my show.

We're going to talk to something I don't really know much about, and Nick reached out to me and said,

hey, I've been doing this research on this subject.

And so I'm kind of flying blind.

Like, I don't really know that much.

I know a lot of Catholic

Church. I grew up Catholic. I grew up Roman Catholic. But this is called the Saint Gallen Mafia.

So it's ST and Gallen, G-A-L-L-E-N. I did a little bit of stuff about it kind of ties in. It kind of

overlaps with some of these old orders that I've been studying.

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