Who are the REAL Christians?

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🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Will the real Christians please stand up? This week, we're getting to the bottom of a very divisive issue. In a world where people in different sects of Christianity are constantly drawing lines in the sand, and declaring who counts as a "real Christian", can we look to the Bible itself to help us determine the truth? Or will the Dans just muddy the waters again? In the second half of our show, we'll talk about the sons of God. Not the son, the sons. Plural. Who are these divine beings? And why are they looking at the human women like that? ---- For early access to an ad-free version of every episode of Data Over Dogma, exclusive content, and the opportunity to support our work, please consider becoming a monthly patron at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/DataOverDogma⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on the various social media places: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/DataOverDogmaPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/data_over_dogma⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Have you ordered Dan McClellan's New York Times bestselling book ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Bible Says So⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ yet??? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:27.0	That's the Explorers Podcast.
0:30.9	Angels can't rebel. They don't have their own agency.
0:34.5	They can't do that.
0:36.9	They're not sexually compatible. They're not made of flesh and bone.
0:43.4	Never mind. So to speak. Yes.
0:50.1	Hey, everybody. I'm Dan McClellan. And I'm Dan Beecher. And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion. We combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?
1:06.6	So it's a, it's a, it's a steamy hot day here in Salt Lake City and, uh, life is good.
1:12.7	All right.
1:13.0	I'm excited. We're, we're, we're, we're diving into some fun issues. Uh, I think, I think we're going to get some, some juice out of, we'll, we'll squeeze some juice out of these controversial issues. Yeah, it's going to be a juicy day. I went for a walk earlier today, and my shoes were pretty juicy by the time I was done. I've got really comfortable shoes that I like to walk around in, but if my feet sweat, I'm just slipping and sliding all over the place in those shoes, and I hate it. But that's neither here nor there. I do need better socks. Too shay.
1:44.8	Yeah, indeed.
1:45.6	All right.
1:46.0	Well, what we're going to be doing, we're going to, where you have two segments today
1:49.3	as per the euse.
1:51.2	The first segment is a taking issue.
1:55.9	And the issue, what we're going to be taking issue with is what counts as a Christian what are the markers
2:02.0	of a Christian yes and who and who gets to decide too it's it's spoiler alert it's me
2:09.9	I get to figure it out so you'll have to come to me to know for sure if you're actually a
2:14.4	Christian and then the second half of our show will be a what's that.
2:19.0	And the what's that that that we're talking about are the sons of God?
2:25.4	Bune'ahelohem.
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