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Moral Maze

Who and what is 'toxic'?

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The allegations about Gregg Wallace’s behaviour on set have been described as being part of a "toxic environment". Once primarily used in the domain of plants, arrows and chemicals, “toxic” - which is defined as “poisonous” – only relatively recently started being applied to workplaces and people: parents, siblings, neighbours, exes and co-workers.

Those who have experienced a toxic work culture or colleague might describe a deterioration in their personal and professional well-being – the causes of which may be difficult to define – or prove – on their own. While sexual harassment, racism, and bullying should be clearly understood, a toxic environment may involve more subtle things at play: a lack of trust, favouritism, unrealistic expectations or an atmosphere of negativity.

But what are we to make of a concept which hinges on how an aggrieved person feels rather than the defined behaviour of the perpetrator? Is it an important redress for those who have for too long suffered in silence – or an over-compensation which irredeemably labels the wrongdoers? What should – and shouldn’t – we be prepared to accept in a workplace or in a relationship? If a boss sets a negative tone in an office, due to their own pressures and stresses, does that make them “toxic”? When does an off-colour joke become “toxic”? Is it possible to detoxify cultures like the entertainment industry, which thrives on the egos of the “talent”? And when is it OK to cut off a “toxic” relative?

Chair: Michael Buerk Panel: Sonia Sodha, Konstantin Kisin, Matthew Taylor and Anne McElvoy Witnesses: Ben Askins, Joanna Williams, Becca Bland and Donald Robertson.

Producer: Dan Tierney Assistant producer: Ruth Purser Editor: Tim Pemberton

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. Good evening. The world's most famous greengrocer has been at

0:08.1

bay all week, besieged by allegations of boorish and sexist behaviour, which he strenuously, if

0:15.0

rather ham-fistedly, denies. But it's not all about Greg Wallace. The Master Chef Kitchens

0:20.2

are the latest workplace to be described as toxic,

0:23.9

a word derived from the Greek custom of poisoning their arrows with blood, dung and snake venom.

0:29.2

That's a recipe, as Greg would probably say, with real bite.

0:33.5

A recent survey found that nearly three quarters of us think we've had a job in a toxic workplace.

0:39.1

Marketing and PR seem the worst, though interestingly, charities are up there too.

0:44.5

Is this a long overdue recognition of how bullying, sexism, favouritism, poisons where we work,

0:51.2

an acknowledgement that power is constantly abused and needs to be called out,

0:55.6

or are we in danger of elevating everyday workplace annoyances into a pathology?

1:01.2

Bosses just are demanding, colleagues cleaky, get on with it.

1:06.1

It's not just at work, unsatisfactory relationships of all kinds are now commonly described as toxic.

1:12.4

How much hinges on actual behaviour, as opposed to how it's perceived?

1:17.2

Who or what is actually toxic, and how should we deal with it?

1:21.3

That's our moral maze tonight.

1:23.1

The panel, Anne McElvoy, the executive editor of the News and Political Site Politico,

1:27.4

the observer columnist Sonia Soda, the chief executive of the NHS Confederation, Matthew Taylor,

1:33.4

and the satirist and pundit Constantin Kessin.

1:36.9

Matthew Taylor, you've run a fair few organisations in your time.

1:40.5

Were you ever worried that you were a toxic boss?

1:43.4

Yeah, I've worked in toxic environments and

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