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Hi, Bill Crystal here. Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday. I'm pleased to be

joined by my friend, a colleague for a long time at the weekly standard and now contributed to the

bulwark every now and then, maybe a little more in the future, I hope. Tom Jocelyn, expert on

many things, an economy, did a lot of economics work when you were young, Tom, but then

quite an expert on the fight against terrorism in the Middle East and then on the fight against

extremism here at home. One of the main authors, the main author really, of the January 6th

Committee report. And Tom, thanks for joining me today.

Oh, thanks for having me, Bill. I should begin by saying this is noon Sunday.

Obviously, last night we had the scary and bad events that the White House correspondents did.

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