Hello everybody and welcome back to Red Left Radio.

On today's episode I'm actually being interviewed by Frank from the Left page about the book

from 1985 Don Delilo's White Noise.

While we start off the conversation the first 20 minutes or so discussing the book itself

and some of its major themes and postmodernism as a genre etc.

we quickly sort of shift into a much broader conversation about Brazilian politics and

American politics, the ecological crisis and many many more things.

It went in totally different directions than I thought it would and I think that's true

for Frank as well.

But it was a really fascinating conversation and I think what's important to note here

up front is that you don't have to have read Don Delilo's White Noise or even know what

the hell it is to enjoy this conversation.

If you could make it through the first 20 minutes talking about a book you might not have

read.

The conversation really opens up after that and we do a wide ranging discussion on a bunch

of topics and of course some of you may know that Frank is lives in and is headquartered

in Brazil.

So these parallels that we draw between the Brazilian far right and the American far right,

the postmodern fracturing of narratives and the rise of conspiracy theories, how social

media and the new sort of hyper-modern media outlets lend themselves to this stuff.

We just we cover a bunch and that difference that contrast or the similarities between

Brazilian and American politics I think are particularly interesting.

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