From WNYC Studios, it's Brian Lair, a daily politics podcast. It's Wednesday, June 29th.

Now we turn to yesterday's January 6th committee hearing, maybe the most devastating so far for

Donald Trump and some of his top

AIDS, as a Trump White House insider revealed what many in his circle, including then attorney

Rudy Giuliani and chief of staff, Mark Meadows, knew leading up to the January 6th insurrection

at the Capitol and what they did during it. And if you didn't hear it yourself, maybe you're one of those people who tape this

so you can watch it as weekend entertainment.

Maybe there's nobody like that, but maybe it was you.

But if that's you, spoiler alert, there was testimony, including about Trump,

knowing that people in the January 6th crowd were heavily armed,

and he and his chief of staff, Mark Meadow, is dismissing that as a concern, and that Trump physically tried to grab

the wheel of his car from his secret service driver to take the car to the capital when the driver

refused to go, and that many people from Trump's most inner circle urged him repeatedly to tell

the rioters to go home, but he waited for hours, even encouraged them with a tweet, and said to his

aides at the White House that they were doing nothing wrong. Here's Cassidy Hutchinson, yesterday's

witness. On January 6th, she was the principal assistant to White House

Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows. She talks here about something she said to him that day about the

evolving scene and what she heard from Rudy Giuliani. I remember leaning against the doorway

and saying, he said an interesting conversation with Rudy, Mark, sounds like we're going to go to the Capitol.

He didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of, there's a lot going on, Cass,

but I don't know, things might get real, real bad on January 6th.

Now, Giuliani and Meadows, like the five Republican Congress members who had been

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