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We had some news this morning that Eger wanted to chat about regarding Jolene Maxwell.

A judge, Judge Engelmeyer, denied the Trump administration's request to unseal the grand jury records.

This was folks not remember the Trump administration's effort to kind of do a look over here

on releasing the Epstein files, which was like, oh, I'd ask a judge to release the grand jury

reports instead, which is separate, which we can get into.

Also, interestingly, Engelmeyer said he reviewed the grand jury material and confirmed

there was basically nothing in there that wasn't already in the public, but since Maxwell,

you know, had public trials. So, Edgar, I wanted to get your reaction to the latest in the Epstein

story. Yeah, it's interesting because there's kind of two different ways you can look at it.

One is that, you know, in the real world, this is sort of a embarrassing face plant for the White House,

right? They get this pretty stern brushback from this judge. They had kind of pretty theatrically,

I would say, tried to work up these grand jury materials as like a big possible reveal for the Epstein files in general and specifically for the Gleine Maxwell stuff where they were saying like, yeah, you know, you're all really mad at us for sitting on some of this stuff that we are declining to release from the Justice Department for reasons that we don't really want to talk about or get into. But don't think that we don't care. Don't think that we don't want to get to the bottom of this story. Look, we're going to go to this back to Florida, back to these grand jury proceedings. We're going to try to get this stuff unsealed. So that'll be something, won't it?

Will that be great?

And then now the judge instead of releasing it is saying,

I'm not releasing this because there's nothing to release.

I mean, he essentially said the government, it was kind of funny.

He said the only argument for releasing these files would be to demonstrate the sort

of government's lack of a foot to stand on

when it said there was a bunch more stuff in these files, but that he didn't think that that

rose to the level, right? So that's one way of looking at is that it's kind of kind of embarrassing

in that way. The other way of looking at it, though, and I think that this is probably the

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