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Talking Feds

White House Counsel: From the Sublime to the Ridiculous

Talking Feds

Harry Litman

News, Politics, Government

4.84.5K Ratings

🗓️ 31 May 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

This week we take an in-depth look at the position of the White House Counsel, one of the most important players in government, yet one that remains obscure to many people. The Counsel is integrally involved in most aspects of the Presidency and takes a center-stage role at times of great crisis. In this episode, previously only available to subscribers, Harry speaks with Bob Bauer, President Obama's counsel and Beth Nolan, President Clinton’s counsel. Then, in a new bonus section, he speaks with Kate Shaw about her work in the Counsel’s office as a young lawyer. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Talking Feds, a roundtable that brings together prominent former federal officials

0:12.3

and special guests for a dynamic discussion of the most important political and legal topics

0:17.8

of the day.

0:18.8

I'm Harry Littman, happy Memorial Day weekend to everyone.

0:23.5

This week we are running a special episode recorded alive during the first impeachment

0:29.3

proceeding against President Trump that previously was available only to paid subscribers.

0:36.1

It's called White House Council, from the sublime to the ridiculous.

0:41.0

And the topic, the position of the White House Council, one of the most important players

0:45.4

in government yet one that remains obscure to many if not most people.

0:50.4

The White House Council is always at the center of any scandals involving the President that

0:55.3

goes from John Dean, Nixon's White House Council who famously told him there's a cancer

1:00.4

on the presidency to Don McGahn who navigated Trump around some of his more illegal instincts

1:06.5

and also stood up to him more than once when Trump's orders were beyond the constitutional

1:11.6

pale.

1:12.6

And of course, Pat Sipeloni, who later replaced Don McGahn and was the White House Council

1:19.3

during the second impeachment of the former President.

1:22.8

But even in scandal free days, the White House Council plays a critical position.

1:27.3

He is the ultimate Washington insider.

1:30.2

The President's personal advisor who doesn't require confirmation, depending on her relationship

1:35.5

with the President, she plays an integral role in everything from picking judges to ethics

1:41.5

to dealing with Congress.

1:43.5

As you'll hear, the White House Council represents the presidency and not the President.

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