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Call Your Girlfriend

White Fragility

Call Your Girlfriend

Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow

Society & Culture

4.74.2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 August 2018

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Let's talk about race, baby, and what white people really mean when they say they don't see it. Whether it's willful ignorance about collective racial identity or an unexpectedly defensive flare-up from someone who claims to be progressive or an intersectional feminist, white fragility has serious consequences. We discuss its impact on people of color with Rachel Cargle, and explore ways for white people to break down internal barriers to growth with Robin DiAngelo. If you are white and listening to this, stick with it, even if you're confused or uncomfortable.

Reading List

White Fragility book

Robin DiAngelo's resources

Rachel Cargle's website and Instagram

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Kaya Girlfriends.

0:02.0

A podcast for long distance festies everywhere.

0:04.6

I'm Amina Tussau.

0:06.1

And I'm Ann Friedman.

0:07.7

What's up, baby?

0:09.2

Oh, you know.

0:11.1

Listen, the correct answer to what's up is nothing,

0:14.0

but the rant, baby.

0:15.0

One more.

0:16.0

Ha-ha-ha.

0:18.0

Um, I love it when like old black folks say that.

0:20.8

It always makes me very happy.

0:22.4

It is an always true response.

0:24.8

Like, that's a thing about it.

0:26.3

I was like, it was true forever ago, and it's true today.

0:29.7

So it's great.

0:31.3

Are you ready for the interviews in today's episode?

0:33.7

Listen, you did all the work, so I am very ready.

0:36.4

Alert and ready.

0:37.3

Tell me, tell me everything.

0:39.3

Well, today's episode is all about white fragility.

0:43.7

And what happens when white people are presented

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