"White Fragility in the Wild"

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Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

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🗓️ 14 September 2018

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Princeton University professor Robert Wuthnow (@RobertWuthnow), author of the book The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America, joined Ana (@anamariecox) this week to talk about his research. He and Ana began by exploring common misconceptions of rural America, and how rural Americans often conceive of themselves. Although he often found a perceived sense of “we-ness” within rural communities, that dynamic broke down when people shared their true opinions about things like marriage equality or a woman’s right to choose. Although many people held similar beliefs, the group was much less homogenous than they may have thought. Ana asked Robert about how the group dynamic can change, and he explained that the boundaries of the groups get complicated, because the divide between us and them is never as obvious as people may think it is. Ana also asked whether Robert had foreseen the rise of Donald Trump (spoiler alert: he hadn’t). Yet, he wasn’t surprised that people in rural America supported a Republican, as it merely continued a pattern established by the anti-abortion movement. Then, former Mayor of Minneapolis Betsy Hodges (@BetsyHodges) joined Ana to answer a listener question about allyship from Teresa, a listener who joined them on the line. You can find Robert’s book here. Get in touch with us on Twitter at @crooked_friends or email the show at [email protected] Thank you to our sponsors! Visit thirdlove.com/friends for 15% off your first order. Get clean ingredients, backed by science at ritual.com/friends. Check out framebridge.com and use promo code FRIENDS for an additional 15% off your first order. Head to sunbasket.com/friends to get $35 off your first order.

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1:48.5	Hi, I'm Anna Marie Cox and welcome to With Friends Like These. The show where we talk about the
1:54.0	differences between us without letting them divide us. And just to be totally candid, this week's show
2:02.0	is there's not a whole lot of difference happening. This show even for all of the whiteness that
2:08.0	this show dives into is really, really white. My first guest is Robert Withnow. He is a professor of
2:15.5	sociology at Princeton and he's the author of a book called The Left Behind Decline and Rage
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