This is the longest I've ever gone between podcasts. I may not know how to do this anymore. So if I start asking questions in Spanish, Scott, you can just kill my mic.

Okay. Let's go.

Welcome back. It's episode 147 of the Hoover Institution's Law Talk podcast coming to you,

as we always do, from the faculty lounge of the F. Stephen U. School of Law, where we do teach

critical race theory, but it's just the name for John's course on Mario Kart. I'm your host,

Troy Sennick, former White House speechwriter, co-founder of Kighton Key,

and Guy who learned the hard way that Peloton frowns on the use of motorcycles.

And I am joined, as always, by the bebop and rock steady of the conservative legal movement

that is a very generation-specific reference.

They are Richard Epstein, the Peter and

Kirsten Bedford Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, the Lawrence A. Tish Professor of Law at

NYU and Senior Lecturer at the University of Chicago. And John Yoo, visiting fellow at the

Hoover Institution, the Emmanuel S. Heller, Professor of Law, at the University of California,

Berkeley,

and former deputy assistant attorney general in the Bush administration. And fellas, you know,

I am occasionally asked how much time we spend together off the show. The answer is not all that

much because we're usually all in different places, but we do stay in touch between shows.

And that sometimes is about serious matters of law or policy. Sometimes it's pure frivolity.

And sometimes, as in the past few weeks, it's Richard feeling like it's vitally important that we all know about his struggles trying to return an iron to Amazon.

Why did we get eight emails from you on this topic?

Well, because in fact, it turns out to be an interesting and happy story. We got this thing.

We've got two instead of one. My wife sent it back with the return label. The next day,

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