This is Ovious and Jillio.

Let's podcast alongside Joe Jillio.

I'm Joe Ovius.

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Always productive. Well, I'm going to tell you something. It's Super Bowl week. Yes. There are, it's rare that I am super jealous of people in our profession. Okay. But I always

wanted to cover the Super Bowl. I always wanted to go to the

Super Bowl. And I am insanely jealous that you went to the radio row like so many times in like,

and it's almost like when people tell a story about spring break or Marty Gras. Yeah. And you're like,

no, no, no. Like, I went to

Marty Gras when it was really Mardi Gras. Like, you went to the Super Bowl, like, you went to some

cool places. And I feel like it was like the true death knell of our industry. Right? Because

you even went to like the, when it became Super Bowl opening night and shit.

Okay. So you saw this whole evolution of people like proposing to Tom Brady.

Yeah. And none of it was like, it was the complete farce is what I'm getting at. Like it was a, a true. It's always been a farce.

Well, fair. But I mean, this true not journalistic experience, but like if you ever covered sports or grew up wanting to be in this business, I think you wanted to go to the Super Bowl and cover the Super Bowl, work out the Super Bowl.

And you've done it multiple times at some pretty cool spots too.

Well, a couple things about that. Yes, right out of the

gate. It's been pretty cool to be able to do Radio Row because it's not as easy as people

might think. It's totally different than the Final Four Radio Row. You said where people are fed to you.

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