Which warlord will Putin turn to next?
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 30 June 2023
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
And is Wagner setting up a camp in Belarus?
The BBC’s international editor Jeremy Bowen has hotfooted back from a whistle-stop trip to Kyiv to update us on what President Zelensky’s military advisers are thinking.
Artyom Shraibman, from the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, explains how Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko stands to benefit from harbouring some of Putin’s nuclear warheads.
And we hear from independent Russian journalist Elena Milashina on the role Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov might play as Vladimir Putin seeks to shore up his position within the Kremlin.
Today’s episode is hosted by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaliy Shevchenko. The producers were Arsenii Sokolov, Ivana Davidovic, Stephanie Mitcalf, Jack Taylor, Drew Hyndman and Tom Smithard. The technical producer was Mike Regaard. The series producer is Tim Walklate and the senior news editor is Sam Bonham.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:05.0 | Hello, it's 492 days since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine, its full-scale invasion. |
| 0:11.4 | And there is, apparently, a new rock star in the Kremlin. |
| 0:19.2 | This is how Russian State TV reported Vladimir Putin's visit to Derbend, a city in southern |
| 0:25.9 | Dagestan region. There was screaming, squealing, and applause, literally pleased for photos |
| 0:33.4 | with the Russian President. Putin was greeted in such a way that even rock stars have nothing |
| 0:39.4 | on him. |
| 0:41.2 | And there are other stars visiting Kiev as well. |
| 0:44.2 | Hi, it's so good to see you again, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for welcoming |
| 0:48.0 | us back. |
| 0:49.0 | Former US Vice President Mike Pence. |
| 0:52.2 | Environmental destruction is a form of warfare, as Ukrainians, by this point, know all |
| 0:58.4 | too well. And so does Russia. |
| 1:01.4 | Yes, environmental superstar Greta Thunberg was in Kiev yesterday to meet President Zelensky. |
| 1:08.6 | She decried the eco-side caused by the invasion and the lack of international reaction to |
| 1:14.5 | the destruction of the Khovka dam. |
| 1:17.8 | And after a frenetic few days, we're going to take a step back and take stock of where |
| 1:22.6 | the chess pieces have now landed. |
| 1:25.8 | And Jeremy Bowen is with us after hot-footing it first to Jerusalem and then Kiev in the |
| 1:30.8 | past week, because he is the BBC's international editor. Hi, Jeremy. |
| 1:35.2 | Hi. |
| 1:36.2 | Yeah, I had a frenetic couple of days as a matter of fact, because when the whole business |
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