All right, 3 o'clock, good to have you. We covered the Red Wings pre-traff press conference hour.

One, we have the Pistons press conference live for you at some point this hour.

Should be more towards 4 than 330. We'll have it for you.

but Rico has a topic in the lead up to that and it's this is all you.

I am going to listen and attempt to answer this to the best of my abilities.

No, Mike, it kind of goes through.

I was listening this morning to our good friend, Jim Costa.

And it was an interesting topic of looking at the state of the teams right here right now.

We talk about the Pistons and how they've kind of hit rock bottom.

Not kind of, they are.

They had the worst record leagues.

14 wins last year.

That was it. You fired the coach.

You're kind of brooming out everything.

You don't know if you even have a court to the team and then you look at the Tigers that we're still trying to figure out who the core is we've talked about them ad nauseum this summer of you know who's going to be the young guys that come up because it seems like every

guy has not panned out the way that they thought they were going to pan out.

So it's just a very simple question. When you look at the state of the team, state of

the Tigers, state of the Pistons.

Tigers last playoff win was 2013, Pistons last playoff win, I believe was 2008.

Of the two teams, who gets out of their quagmire first? Who

fixes the problem and actually becomes a legitimate playoff team first because the Tigers have the head start.

The Pistons are starting over.

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