Bruce Abramson is Director of Admissions at New College of Florida. Among his books is The New Civil War, Exposing Elites, Fighting Utopian Leftismism, and restoring America, which we covered here

on the podcast one or two years ago. His new book is American Spirit or Great Awakening,

The Battle to Restore or Destroy Our Nation. That's our topic today. Welcome, Bruce.

Thank you, Mark. Pleasure to be back. I begin with the quote from early on in the book. You define wokeism as, quote,

a new religion that has arisen to fill our spiritual vacuum. First, tell us what this spiritual

vacuum is. What's happened here? All right, thanks. Great question, Mark. You know, that quote actually contains three words

that need to be defined. Religion, wokeism, and spiritual vacuum. Because there are all things

that sort of fall into the I'll know it when I see it category. So I need to be clear what we're

talking about. But let's start with the spiritual vacuum. Let's start talking about the spiritual realm. My belief, and I expressed this in the book,

is that there is a realm of the unknowable out there. There's a realm out there that has questions

that everybody, no matter where you are, any point in history, any point in the world,

questions everybody asks.

Where was I before I was born?

When my kids before I was born?

Where do I go after I die?

What makes me me?

Why is there persistent unfairness in the world?

Why do bad people seem to win a lot and good people lose?

Yes.

Okay. You know, what will happen at the end of time?

Can I tell what's going to happen in the future?

These are all questions that I say that I believe fall in the realm of the unknowable.

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