Okay, so Jane. I'm here. Alright. Okay.

Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Box Media Podcast Network on Matthew Galacious.

Today we've got Darryl Lind and Jane Coastin here. We want to talk about the continued sort of

crisis with the family separations at the southern border. We're recording a little later than

usual on a Tuesday because of a conference call that Health and Human Services held and then

Donald Trump himself spoke and addressed this issue around midday today.

Two very different tones. Surprisingly, the press call of Health and Human Services did not sound

much like President Trump's own remarks. Yes. So anyway, TLDR, we're not going to do a white

paper this Tuesday because we want to get to the meat of this topic, get the show sort of where it is.

I'm saying, you alluded to this, but there's like a striking contrast between these sort of bureaucratic

legalisms that most administration officials are using to discuss this situation and the rhetoric

that the president himself is using. Right. I mean, I think that the administration is dealing with a

few competing imperatives like taking Donald Trump himself out of the picture. If you are a Trump

administration official attempting to defend to the public, what looks like not only a policy that

is unpopular among the majority of the public, but a policy that all the people who don't like it

are extremely mad about up to and including the White House press corps. You're trying to deal with

one, the fact that you instituted this policy in part as an attempt to deter illegal activity.

The Jeff Sessions said initially in May when he announced the zero tolerance prosecution policy

that the aim was to deter people from crossing illegally. They've left kind of vague whether that

means they're supposed to cross at ports of entry or whether they're just supposed to not come to the US,

but that is a message that theoretically it's important to send. At the same time, there are legal

reasons why they can't actually say deterrence, especially actual homeland security officials can't

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