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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the spectator's daily politics podcast. I'm Katie Balls

and I'm joined by Fraser Nelson and James Forsyfe. We're on day four, the latest Tory psychodrama, after number 10

briefed that Dominic Cummings was in the Prime Minister's mind behind several leaks. Dominic

Cummings hit back with an explosive blog. And there are more

leaks in the papers today. The latest leak, though we do not officially know who that's from,

is in the Daily Mail. And this is that Boris Johnson has been accused of saying that he would

rather allow bodies to pile high on their thousands than impose another lockdown late last year.

Now, Downing Street has strongly denied he made this

remark dismissing it as just another lie. We'll get into the wider after enough, but James,

hearing that quote, where do you think this is going? Clearly the day you may believe they have

the grounds to allege that the Prime Minister did say this despite the fact that Number 10 are pushing very

hard against the idea that Prime Minister would. Unless there is a recording of this, I find this very

hard. This is going to be a he said, she said, right? Because this is not the kind of comment

that gets ministered in the notes of a meeting, right? This is going to be Simon Waters' source

saying that the Prime Minister

did say this and number 10 saying, no, he didn't say this. And so unless there are these

recordings which have been talked about a bit over the weekend, unless those exist of this

comment, I don't, I don't mean this is going to settle one way or the other because the source will

claim he said it and Boris Johnson will deny that he said it. You heard Ben Wallace on the today program this morning kind of denying very emphatically that had been said.

And as you said, number 10 have also denied that.

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