The Jesus I now know is very different from the Jesus I was taught as a kid.

When I tasted that first gulp of what God's grace was,

that God wasn't this monster in the sky.

God was a passionate, loving, divine presence who wanted me to feel no longer fatherless,

who wanted to adopt me.

It changed everything.

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Dave Wilson. And I'm Ann Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com,

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So I got to ask you, are you excited today? I'm super excited. Why is that?

Because we have someone with us today that we have been a fan of for a long time. And I think...

We're not fans of very many people, actually. But I think the reason I appreciate this man so much

is because I know the struggle you have had intellectually, apologetically, in the Christian faith

and your doubts. And this man really impacted you. Yeah, we have Philip Nancy in the studio with us

today. What kind of Family Life Philip? Thank you so much. And you don't know this about us

and about me, but I came across disappointment with God. Your book in 1980s? What was it?

I think in 89 or 90, it was published. Yeah, you don't even know how you've got so many books

out there. I didn't even know until I read your bio, 25 books. Is that right? There's probably more.

Is it 25? 25. Couple of million copies. I mean, we're talking like 17 million copies out there.

We wrote a little book and when you're an author and you hear somebody sold 17 million copies,

you're like, oh my goodness, but I came across disappointment with God early in my Christian faith.

I didn't come to Christ till my junior in college. And I had never read a Christian author

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