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Coffee House Shots

Where should prime ministers go after leaving Downing Street?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Politics, Government, Daily News

4.42.1K Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2021

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

David Cameron is giving evidence to MPs today over his lobbying for Greensill Capital, in the latest round of embarrassment for the former prime minister. On the podcast, Cindy Yu talks to Katy Balls and James Forsyth about the graceful way to leave Downing Street.

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0:00.0

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0:16.6

Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

0:38.7

I'm Cindy Yu and I'm joined by Katie Balls and James Forsyth. So this week, David Cameron has been hauled in front of MPs to answer for the Queen'sill scandal. James, we've also seen some texts that have been released. So can you talk us through what's been happening this week? So earlier in the week, it was part of his Treasury Select Committee inquiry.

0:43.6

David Cameron put out the kind of 56 messages he had sent to various government ministers and officials about Green Sill Capital.

0:47.0

And I don't mean there were messages that Cameron ever expected to become public.

0:50.9

You know, he signs off one to Tom Scholar, the permanent secretary of the Treasury,

0:53.5

Love, D.C., talks about meeting for an elbow bumper, a foot tap at some point soon.

0:59.9

And so he's now, before Treasury's Sucity Committee today, Cameron calls it in his introductory

1:04.0

statement a kind of painful day. I think the difficulty of the over Cameron is that while

1:08.1

he technically hasn't broken any rules, part of the

1:11.3

reason why he hasn't broken any rules is the rules that were passed when he was prime minister

1:14.8

did not have that much bite to them. And I think the other problem is that as prime minister

1:21.7

and as leader of the opposition, Cameron himself used to warn about lobbying as the next big scandal.

1:26.5

So this is clearly an awkward,

1:28.8

difficult situation for him. He also obviously doesn't want to say how much he was paid. He's just

1:33.1

referring to a big and generous pay package that he had with Greensill. And I think this is what's

1:38.4

difficult. Cameron wants to argue, look, he wasn't just doing this for his own personal financial

1:42.8

interest, but because he thought the scheme was a good scheme.

1:45.5

I mean, the problem is there are sufficient questions about green sale capital

1:48.4

that people are saying, well, why didn't you are, you know,

1:51.0

you're a former Treasury special advisor,

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