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TALKING POLITICS

Where Power Stops

TALKING POLITICS

Catherine Carr

News, News & Politics

4.7 • 2.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 August 2019

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

David gives another in his series of talks about democracy. This one draws on the theme of his new book Where Power Stops: The Making and Unmaking of Presidents and Prime Ministers. From Lyndon Johnson to Boris Johnson, does power reveal the true character of politicians or do politicians reveal the true character of power? What sets the limits to what presidents and prime minsters can do? And how do we find them? https://profilebooks.com/where-power-stops-hb.html


The books that have had the single largest influence on modern Western politicians are Robert Caro’s biographies of Lyndon Johson.

  • These books are a love letter to politics: the glory, the grind, the graft.
  • Johnson’s life is a tale of redemption: he was a terrible man, but he did some great things.
  • Johnson’s life shows that individual politicians can make a difference. This is a story that a lot of politicians want to hear.


Caro says that the lesson of Johnson’s life is that power corrupts, but power also reveals. David disagrees.

  • Johnson wanted to dominate. Compassion was not who he really was, it was just another tool at his disposal.
  • To show he deserved power, Johnson had to do what Kennedy couldn’t do: civil rights and the great society.
  • It’s not that power reveals the person, but the person reveals the nature of the power. 
  • Politicians don’t really change. And they often don’t really hide who they are. 
  • When they get to the top, you see not who they are, but what that kind of person can do with power. 


Are Trump and Boris Johnson part of this pattern?

  • We haven’t discovered anything about Trump we didn’t know before.
  • Much more has been revealed about the institution of the presidency than the man.
  • What makes Trump different is that he doesn’t seem to believe that his power is subject to any constraints. This could actually change the institution.
  • Boris Johnson is different. For one thing, he is capable of shame. But he is also willing, potentially, to treat the limits of office as if they aren’t there.


Further Learning:


And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: lrb.co.uk/talking

Transcript

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This week David is giving another in his series of talks about democracy. This one picks

0:10.4

up the theme of his new book, Where Power Stops, The Making and Our Making of Presidents

0:15.5

and Prime Ministers. It's a story that runs from Lyndon Johnson to Boris Johnson.

0:25.9

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birthday.

0:53.9

What is the most influential book for the recent generation of leading politicians in the

0:59.9

United States and Britain, the Presidents, the Prime Ministers, the wannabe Presidents,

1:04.7

the would-be Prime Ministers? I haven't got a scientific answer to that question, but there's

1:09.2

pretty clear anecdotal evidence. Before telling you what the book is, it's probably

1:14.6

worth saying that politicians are human beings too, so my guess is they read what everyone

1:19.2

reads. Probably Harry Potter is the thing that most of them have read most. The ones who

1:23.7

have kids because it's what we all read. When a book is a bestseller, politicians read

1:28.7

it too, when Yuval Harari Sapiens was being read by everyone. Everyone was reading it, including

1:34.9

Barack Obama, who said that it made him feel like we're all very insignificant in the

1:39.9

grand sweep of time. So if Obama feels that, I think we can all feel that. There are lots

1:44.5

of books that have been influential, but maybe politicians who have been influenced by

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them haven't read them. Thomas Piketty is capital in 21st century. He's probably one

1:52.8

of those books that more people have talked about than have read. But there are some books

1:58.3

that politicians have not only read, but seem to absolutely love. The books about politics,

2:04.9

that politicians love, revere, cherish, and want to talk about. And there's one in particular,

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