Because Disney is an IP company, because at some point when Bob Eiger was the CEO, he was like

creating is so much more difficult than buying and infusing that into your brand.

They need to figure out a way to tell better stories.

They need to reorient to the story place.

And I think that's something that they're slowly working their way back to because before they were just

like what's the spectacle oh you want to see how many Avengers can we put in one movie

you'll show up for that and now that people won't show up for that, hopefully they go back to the story.

Because I think if you're chasing a spectacle movie, you're making a theme park ride.

And that's not how drama should work. I'm Mary Long and that's Dave Gonzales.

He quite literally wrote the book on the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

My colleague Ricky Mulvey caught up with Gonzales live in Denver to deep

brief on what the latest Deadpool movie means for Marvel's past and for its future.

They also discuss Ike Perlmutter's exit from Disney, the state of visual effects houses, and what

Boom Bust cycles look like in comics and in movies.

We'll get to the business stuff in a second, but first off it's a big

superhero movie this summer. Yeah, what's your what's your spoil?

What's we'll do us we'll talk talk spoilers later. We're going to go deep maybe hopefully, but what's your

spoiler free review of Deadpool and Wolverine? Are we out of the post-end game darkness here?

Oh, I definitely think so.

I think that the post end game darkness was a little exaggerated,

but I do think that we've rebounded from a secret invasion

and the marvels, which I think is going to be seen, at least if everything keeps going

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