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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

When Your Schedule Is Full: Managing Referrals in Child Psychiatry

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Alternative Health, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7524 Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

More teens are saying they can’t sleep because they’re worried about the environment. Today, we’re asking: How do we respond to climate anxiety without pathologizing it?  

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Published On: 10/20/2025

Duration: 14 minutes, 06 seconds

Joshua Feder, MD, and Mara Goverman, LCSW, have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

You want to help every family that calls, but your schedule's full and the need keeps growing.

0:06.9

What can you do when you can't take another patient?

0:10.7

In this episode, we'll talk about how to manage referrals, support other providers, and build systems that make a difference even when you have to say no.

0:24.9

I'm Dr. Josh Fader, the editor-chief of the Carlott Child Psychiatry Report, and co-author of

0:30.3

the Child Medication Fact Book for Psychiatric Practice, Second Edition, 2023, and our other book

0:35.7

Prescribing Psychotropics.

0:39.9

And I'm Mara Government, a licensed clinical social worker in Southern California with a private practice and an avid reader of

0:46.1

the Carlet Psychiatry Reports. Today, we're talking about something that almost every mental

0:52.0

health provider in child and adolescent care

0:54.9

runs into too many referrals and not enough capacity. Right now, the number of trained child

1:02.3

psychiatrists in the U.S. sits around 8,300. Meanwhile, more than 15 million kids and teens

1:08.7

meet criteria for a psychiatric diagnosis. That's about one in five.

1:14.0

And the gaps hit hardest in rural areas and communities with fewer resources. It raises a question

1:21.3

providers face constantly, which referrals do you take and what do you do with the ones you can't?

1:36.5

Yeah, so let's start there.

1:38.2

One of the first things clinicians can do is clarify their scope,

1:41.9

what kinds of patients they're set up to see, what treatments they offer,

1:45.7

and what their capacity looks like for new referrals. That kind of clarity can shape what gets

1:50.6

accepted and what's redirected. And that redirection matters. Families are often left hanging

1:57.7

when they hear, I'm not accepting new patients. A better approach is to build a plan.

2:04.0

What do you say? Where do you point them to? What resources can you share? Even if you can't take them

2:10.6

yourself, you can give them an X step. That might be a referral list. Ideally, at least three names,

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