Well, the joy of grandparenting can sometimes be overshadowed by everything that's going on in the world and all the technology and all the difficulties, but today we have some hope and some helpful perspectives.

I'm John Fuller along with Dr. Danny Werta who heads up our parenting team and

we're going to hear now part of a conversation that Jim Daly had with Chris Howard and her friend Shelly Tomlinson.

They're both grandmothers. They're walking through this journey together and

Chris is part of the Duck Dynasty family. Let's go ahead and listen to it.

Shelly, you coach basketball. I'm already trembling remembering.

That was the second sport I played.

Was it dramatic for you? Well, you know know this is the point she mentioned in the book

about being a bench warmer and that brought back memories. I was I was the sixth man on you know you put out five players at a time I was number six so

the dialogue kind of went like this with me and the coach he'd put me in the game

and he grabbed me and said now number 14 over there guard him so tight I don't care if you

foul out just rattle his cage that was my role what did you mean by the bench

warm I love the analogy of bench warming as grandparents and

how we come into the game because as an ex-Basketball coach you know some people

see the bench players with maybe not as importance.

You know, maybe you felt not very important and so I want to stress that we are because

the people that are on the court oftentimes and in this analogy it would be the parents okay so they're tired they have all these responsibilities they're in the game and sometimes they can't really have perspective about what's going on in a situation that a

grandparent does and in basketball when that substitute comes in off the bench

their enthusiasm can change the game.

They might not have the skills of the first string,

but if they come in and their legs aren't weary,

and they've been seeing what's happening

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