Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the

intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's

unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people

stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to

ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts

positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together

thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,

doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations because simply asking

questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.

Today is no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest.

All right, over to Elise. John Piero Petrieri is an associate professor of

organizational behavior at INSEAD and an expert on leadership and learning in the workplace.

We did a fascinating Q&A with John Piero earlier this year on Zoom fatigue and we were eager

to chat with him again. Today we talk about the growing tendency to deeply intertwine our sense

of self-worth with our performance at work. Why pricing efficiency and alignment at an organization

is often at odds with fostering innovation and inclusion and he also explains the importance

of putting care at the center of leadership rather than productivity. I loved our chat and I'm

dying for John Piero to write a leadership book. After you listen I think you'll see why.

Most of us are so used to managers that just help us get a little bit better than when we

meet that one manager that actually asks us more fundamental questions. We remember them all

our lives. We call them mentor and usually what did these people do? They imagined us in a way we

couldn't imagine ourselves. They actually helped us not improve at being the person we already

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