Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics.

I'm joined today by the Spectators Managing Editor, Matt MacDonald, and our Washington editor, Amber Athe.

And we're going to be asking, should Donald Trump be accepting defeat? Now, I think Matt and

Amber, you're going to disagree slightly on this subject, which hopefully will make for an interesting

podcast. It looks very much as though, according to the count, the official count, Joe Biden will

be declared the winner of the presidential election in the coming hours.

There is obviously a lot of controversy about the huge surge in late mail-in ballots.

The Trump campaign are launching all sorts of legal challenging challenges

and alleging all sorts of voter fraud.

But as every network from CNN to MSNBC to the spectators Matthew McDonald has said,

these claims are for the moment baseless.

Let's start with Amber, actually.

Do you think these claims are

baseless and unsubstantiated? And I might let Matt defend himself. I don't think all of the

claims are baseless. I think some of them are. I've been going through all of the allegations of

fraud that have been floating around social media and there's been some pretty

good threads debunking quite a few of them. However, there are quite a few that actually

seem to have a decent amount of evidence for. For example, in Nevada, the Trump campaign

claims to have identified over 3,000 voters who illegally voted out of state, and they verified this supposedly by looking at national change of address records.

So just to clarify for listeners, you can vote out of state absentee if you're temporarily out of state,

whether for school or a seasonal job or something like that, but if you have a permanent

address out of state, you're not allowed to vote in your home state. The Trump campaign claims

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