Hey Jim Daley here. If you like the focus on the family broadcast and haven't

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take a deeper dive with a respected thinker on different aspects of culture. I

ask those hard questions that maybe they don't get that often and I don't

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When you've been hurt by your spouse, it's easy to say something like, you know,

I can never forgive you for what you did. And when the sting of the trail is so

deep, where do you turn for help? If you're in that place today or know

someone who is struggling in a similar kind of way, I'm so glad you've tuned

in because we're going to offer hope. I'm John Fuller along with Greg and

here in Smolly. They're in charge of our marriage department here at Focus on

the Family. And last time we heard the first part of a conversation that Jim

Daley and I had with Mark and Jill Savage. And they described the devastation

of what happened when it came to light that Mark was having an affair. And here they

are with more of their very honest assessment of their story. Mark, let me

bring it back to you for a minute because there was this seesaw effect that

occurred over the next few weeks or months. I'm not sure where you were, you

know, telling Jill, yeah, that we're done. It's off. And then it would

rekindle to describe that. And even in that confusion, what was going on?

Well, so the Christ Center part of me wanted to restore, get things figured

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