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The Indicator from Planet Money

When Uncle Sam owned banks and factories

The Indicator from Planet Money

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🗓️ 23 July 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

The quintessential American economic myth is that the free market picks winners and losers. But the federal government has long had a role in this equation, from the current administration all the way back to the Great Depression. Today on the show, we uncover the history of the country's national investment bank, which shaped the relationship between the government and the market in ways that are still felt today.

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0:00.0

NPR.

0:11.7

This is the indicator from planet money.

0:13.8

I'm Daryan Woods.

0:15.0

And I'm Waylon Wong.

0:16.2

I don't know about you, Daryan, but lately, I've been seeing some things in the news that have shaken my idea

0:22.1

of what it means to do business in America. Are you talking about Zoran Mamdani's idea of

0:27.3

opening government-owned grocery stores in New York City? Well, that definitely got tongues wagging,

0:32.8

I will say. And then just this month, the Pentagon acquired a stake in a rare earth mining company.

0:40.1

And that's after the government took what's called a golden share in U.S. steel.

0:44.9

The quintessential American economic myth is that the free market, not the government, decides

0:50.3

which businesses deserve investment and a shot of success. Now we see the Trump administration

0:56.2

becoming a partial owner in private businesses. And this is actually history repeating itself.

1:02.4

The U.S. used to have a national investment bank. This was a government-run entity that took on

1:07.8

different forms during its life. It bought up stakes in private banks and

1:11.6

developed new manufacturing industries. It even created the 30-year mortgage.

1:16.7

Economist Chris Hughes has studied the history of this bank. It's sort of shocking how few people

1:22.5

know that we had a national investment bank for 20 years in the United States.

1:28.3

And it was popular on both sides of the aisle, started by a Republican,

1:34.6

and incredibly helpful in getting us out of the Depression

1:37.6

and then in preparing us for the war effort.

1:40.4

And it fizzled.

1:43.1

Today on the show, Chris tells us the story of this bank,

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