Welcome to bewildered. I'm Martha Beck here with Rowan Mangan. At this crazy moment in history,

a lot of people are feeling bewildered, but that actually may be a sign we're on track.

Human culture teaches us to come to consensus, but nature, our own true nature, helps us come

to our senses. Rowan and I believe that the best way to figure it all out is by going through

a wilderness into bewildered. That's why we're here. You know what I'm seeing out in the world

is a lot of fear and a growing amount of despair. Maybe you're feeling that way too,

because the ways our culture has taught us to navigate the world, to navigate our lives,

they are failing us. We need a new language. We need a new set of tools to find our way individually

and as a group. And I know we can still do this. I put everything I do know about it into

wayfinder life coach training and the tools that I teach there are to help people redefine

how we relate to each other, how we make a living, how we do community. We can only change the world

for the better if we redefine how we think. Registration is open for the fall and the world needs

wayfinders now more than ever. So please go to marthabag.com and you'll find your way.

Hi, I'm Martha Beck. And I'm Rowan Mangon and this is another episode of Be Willed

at the Podcast for People Trying to Figure It Out. How you doing, Marty Lee?

Doing great. Got my lighter cane patches all over my back. Everything's perfect with lighter

cane. What are you trying to figure it out in your life?

So the other day, this may not be easy for you to hear, Marty, but I'm just going to tell you

the other day, like you and I, we pass each other in the day. Sometimes we're busy and you know,

I'm just coming from the dentist, you're on your way to a meeting and little pick on the cheek,

little not hot and heavy kissing, just a little like, oh, hey, honey. And we had one of those.

And it struck me afterwards that it's like, it's probably weird that when I go to give my wife

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