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It's funny. It's funny how like five years ago I feel like I had more answers, you know, and I had very like if people came to me with an issue or a problem, I'd say, you know, this is what you need to do and this is the way you need to think and And really as I get older I listen more and I am silent a lot more when

people come because there's so much gray area and there's so much fuzziness. I think the answer is always

just lie in continuing to reflect and ask yourself questions and nobody has the answer. I don't know I wish I wish I had more sweeping

insight to provide to folks in terms of you know life balance and other things but

it's just a work in progress.

This is Annie Nyborg. Don't let her fool you. She may not have the answers, but she is a wealth of good-natured and quiet wisdom and

she's just in her mid-30s. She's also the kind of person who makes you

instantly at ease and made me comfortable enough to say this.

In my pajamas at 12.15 right now. I haven't brushed my teeth, I haven't watched my teeth, I haven't

watched my face, I'm in my bathroom. It's a struggle to get out the door, but I'm making it happen.

In Annie's defense, it was 9 a.m. on the West Coast. I work from home so PJ's at noon is an all too often occurrence.

But I'm getting off track. Annie isn't an entrepreneur or an extreme athlete or a through hiker. To be honest, I think she was surprised

when I asked her for an interview. Annie works in San Francisco at Peak Design, a product-based startup that has one foot in the outdoor

industry and the other in the photography accessory space.

Annie is also married with a baby daughter named Amelia or Millie. She's as passionate

about the environment as she is about spending time in the backcountry as she is

about being a mother. In many ways Annie's story isn't out of the ordinary, which makes it that

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