When to Give Up on Law School (Ep. 381)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.8 • 868 Ratings
🗓️ 19 December 2022
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
Two mice fell into a bucket of cream. One gave up quickly and drowned. The other refused to quit and struggled for so long that it churned the cream to butter and crawled out. On today’s episode, Ben and Nathan answer an anonymous listener’s question: Which mouse should you be? If you’re drowning in the LSAT, how long should you struggle before calling it quits? The guys discuss why people who are meant to be lawyers will always tough it out—and why it’s okay if you’re not one of those people. Later on the show, they critique UVA’s statement about the U.S. News rankings, explain practice-test score ranges, and evaluate a tip for finding the main point in Reading Comprehension.
3:20 - Which Mouse Should You Be? - An anonymous listener calls upon a parable about drowning mice to ask how relentlessly they should pursue law school. LSAT study requires grit and determination. The struggle may be worth it—but only if law school is right for you. Ben and Nathan discuss when to double down on your efforts and when to walk away.
25:02 - UVA and U.S. News - Listener Kris shares an open letter from UVA Law dean, Risa Goluboff, on the school’s decision not to provide data for the U.S. News rankings. Dean G claims that the rankings fail to capture what UVA values most. Nathan and Ben point out that UVA displays their LSAT and GPA medians front and center for prospective students. The guys assure listeners that law school rankings and the LSAT aren’t going away anytime soon.
49:25 - Master of Legal Studies - An anonymous listener feels that they’ve reached their limit on the LSAT. Would padding their résumé with a Master of Legal Studies degree help their law school applications? Ben and Nathan recommend cutting negative self-talk and focusing on the LSAT.
54:15 - How to Determine Your Score Range - Nathan and Ben explain how to determine your score range by averaging practice test scores. They also discuss why it doesn’t matter whether you take a full-length test or break it up into individual sections.
1:00:40 - Pearls vs. Turds - TLP producer Erik shares a lecture on writing and explains how its lessons help him find the main point in LSAT Reading Comprehension passages.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and podcast I'm Nathan Fox that's been Olson together with the co-founder of |
| 0:13.5 | Elsat demon.com and the Elsat demon daily podcast you can be Elsat famous get on an |
| 0:19.7 | upcoming show by contacting us via our website thinking Elsat.com. We love it when you share |
| 0:25.8 | news about law school admissions or the Elsat. We love it when you ask us questions. |
| 0:32.1 | That's really the bulk of the show. We answer your questions |
| 0:36.1 | The show is gonna air on Monday December 19th not a lot of important action deadlines coming up. I guess December 27th you have to decide |
| 0:45.2 | whether you want to register for the February 2023 L-SAT. Go to L-SAT dot link forward slash dates if you want to see all those registration |
| 0:53.3 | deadlines score release dates all that kind of stuff please come to our free |
| 0:58.5 | shit I have a free class coming up on Thursday, December 29th. |
| 1:04.6 | That one is going to be about overcoming score plateaus. |
| 1:07.6 | You can go to Elsat. |
| 1:08.4 | link forward slash Nathan if you want to sign up for that free class. |
| 1:12.2 | We also have upcoming a free proctored practice test that's on |
| 1:16.2 | Saturday, January 7th. Mark your calendars, come to the practice test. There will be an |
| 1:21.9 | Elsat tutor there at the end of the test to answer questions. |
| 1:26.0 | So please take advantage of all of the free resources that we have available with just a free demon account. |
| 1:34.7 | You can do what, Ben, a couple weeks at least |
| 1:37.8 | of like hardcore ELSAP prep, just using our free resources. |
| 1:43.0 | Yeah. |
| 1:44.0 | I had a new student in class the other night who told me that she, |
| 1:48.0 | it's like she seemed like she was getting it |
| 1:51.0 | even though she was brand new. And's like well I did all the free |
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