Welcome everybody to Religion on the Mind, the podcast that explores the overlap of psychology

and religion and spirituality. I'm your host, Dr. Dan Koch, licensed therapist and occasional

spiritual abuse researcher.

My guest today, this is going to be a fun one.

Jordan Morris is a comedian, writer, and podcaster, best known as the co-host of Jordan

Jesse Go on the Max Fun Network, and creator of the acclaimed sci-fi comedy graphic novel

bubble.

His latest work, also a graphic novel, Youth Group, is where I found his work,

and it blends dark humor and supernatural adventure to explore the strange overlaps

between adolescence, faith, and friendship.

Indeed, it takes place during youth group where adolescents, faith, and

friendship are in their most potent mixture, perhaps at any point in our lives. Would you say,

Jordan? Yeah, no. Thank you for having me. Great to be here. And I think that's a good

observation. I think that's definitely something I was thinking a lot about

when, you know, coming up with youth group is like, you know, so I was one of, I was a youth group kid.

I grew up going to a, you know, very goofy Bible study in Orange County, California, where the, you know,

youth pastor wore flip-flops and had turned the chair around

backwards and had rapped to you about a pretty cool guy named J.C. who was honestly kind of

punk rock if you think about it. Yeah. And I, you know, I had always wanted to write about this.

It always seemed like such a strange,

like, funny, fraught world. And I never saw anybody get it right in pop culture or never

saw anybody like represented in pop culture with any, like, nuance. It was all just kind of a

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