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The Gist

When the Victims are the Jurors

The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

Daily News, News

4.53.7K Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2021

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

On the Gist, exploring the complexities of the personal stakes of the Senators in the Trump Impeachment trial. In the Interview, it's the second half of our conversation with Jonah Blank, an anthropologist, writer, author, and former policy director for South and Southeast Asia on the staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Blank joins Mike to talk about the Myanmar coup, the default of cheering on populism, conflicts and communal violence, and the threat to democracy. Blank is author of Arrow of the Blue-Skinned God, and Mullahs on the Mainframe, and currently based in Singapore. He'll be back on the show next week. In the spiel, picking apart Lindsey Graham.   Email us at thegist@slate.com Podcast production by Margaret Kelley and Cheyna Roth. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm going to tell you to go to our Twitter feed at SlateGis.com.

0:38.4

It's Thursday, February 11th, 2021, from Slated to the Gisdai Mike Pesca. If you ask the

0:48.6

lawyer what he or she would rather have, favorable facts, a sympathetic client, an easygoing

0:54.0

judge or a jury clearly predisposed to believe you, well, you wouldn't even have to ask

0:58.4

the lawyer. Of course, it's the jury. If you have a criminal trial where the jury is

1:02.8

on the record as having supported the defendant, indeed of still having their professional

1:08.2

fortunes inextricably tied to the guiltlessness of the defendant, it's not even being a question

1:14.0

of law. It's a question more like, how did this corruption of fairness come to stand?

1:19.4

Well, that is actually what's going on in the Senate, and it is fair and it is unfair.

1:24.4

The Senate are the constitutionally designated jurors, and also think about this. They are

1:30.4

unlike a criminal or civil jury actually accountable to voters directly for their verdicts. This,

1:36.4

of course, colors everything about the outcome, but there are other colorings, shadings in

1:42.0

this procedure that I would like to ponder for just a moment. One is that the site of the

1:48.2

trial is the crime scene. This sometimes does happen in a criminal case a couple years ago,

1:53.1

a defendant in a courthouse near Kansas City grabbed a hold of a gun and shot and killed two

1:57.3

officers. The trial took place in the same Wyandotte County courthouse, which couldn't have

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